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Art or Iris?

A close-up of yesterday's Flag Iris.
All the photo-advice books say that in flower photography you MUST start with a perfect bloom. This is a perfect wild flag iris, yet this is an artless image compared to, say,
http://www.pixelpixie.shutterchance.com/photoblog/Poppy_Abstracts_%A3!;hash%A3!;2/
which wasn't a perfect bloom, but was certainly a lovely piece of Art.
Getting Art into flower photography, as opposed to perhaps  an accurate, pretty, informative but artless record of what a plant looks like, is a difficult thing, which I have been singularly unsuccessful at!
What do you prefer- art or accuracy?!

Art or Iris?

A close-up of yesterday's Flag Iris.
All the photo-advice books say that in flower photography you MUST start with a perfect bloom. This is a perfect wild flag iris, yet this is an artless image compared to, say,
http://www.pixelpixie.shutterchance.com/photoblog/Poppy_Abstracts_%A3!;hash%A3!;2/
which wasn't a perfect bloom, but was certainly a lovely piece of Art.
Getting Art into flower photography, as opposed to perhaps  an accurate, pretty, informative but artless record of what a plant looks like, is a difficult thing, which I have been singularly unsuccessful at!
What do you prefer- art or accuracy?!

comments (16)

...but you put art into dead flowers as in http://artographer.shutterchance.com/photoblog/Dead_Roses_Society/

...but what is art?
David from the Hebrides: Where to start?smile For me, art is when someone uses skills to interpret and re-present a view in a personal response to that view, so it engages the viewer, creates a narrative and obliges the viewer to react emotionally and intellectually to it, (the emotional response doesn't have to be pleasure! eg Picasso's Guernica or the monumental 4th Symphony by Shostakovitch- my favourite piece of art, ever.) I would regard very few of my images here on SC as art! but some were heart-felt when taken and I would regard their technical excellence as of secondary importance to their narrative qualities. The Lily above is not one of them!! (but yesterday's was!) Crikey that was good getting that of my chest! wink
  • Suby
  • MK, United Kingdom
  • 21 Jun 2007, 00:41
Lovely

Suby
David from the Hebrides: Thank you, Suby
I choose art over accuracy. And I do think there is art in your capture of this iris.
David from the Hebrides: Many thanks, RP- I love them for their graceful appearance in a wild situation!
I love colour and this fills the bill.
David from the Hebrides: Thanks, Mary- it does provide a touch of class to the peat moors!
Laughed at your crow today, and please, please tell me how to go about getting the music link facility- it is brilliant!
Lovely image.
David from the Hebrides: Many thanks!
  • Ellie
  • 21 Jun 2007, 01:27
You can have both, art and accuracy if that's what you want. You've mentioned Jose, but what about some of Steve's pictures, or Chris (Eclectic) as well?

I don't think you *have* to take pictures of perfect flowers either, unless they're going into a plant catalogue, sometimes they look nicer when they're beginning to fade.
Anyway, different people like different pictures, and you can't please all the people all the time.

Oops, I've just seen you didn't say "discuss" wink
David from the Hebrides: Thanks for the thoughts, Ellie- actually I was just being Devil's Advocate and starting a bit of discussion as so many people do post images of flowers and I wanted to find out what we all thought of them! I always appreciate your thoughts on things- many thanks!
Both. It's time for Iris, true. I may go to a big garden this w-e to shot them. Yours is beautiful. smile
David from the Hebrides: Thank you, Florence- I shall look out for your version!
  • Ginnie
  • Atlanta, GA, United States
  • 21 Jun 2007, 13:38
All I can say, David, is that this is going into my Likeys! The iris happens to be one of my favorite flowers in the whole world. This is why!
David from the Hebrides: Many thanks, Ginnie- I prefer this wild plant to the more fancy garden varieties
  • Neil Tandy
  • Johannesburg, South Africa
  • 21 Jun 2007, 13:58
Depends David. Photography is an artform, but also a recording tool, so art for beauty, perfection for education. Now, you have both here, so I am totally confused!!smile Super, super photo. Many regards, Neil.
David from the Hebrides: Excellent response Neil- we are thinking along the same lines! Many thanks.
  • Suby
  • Milton Keynes, UK
  • 21 Jun 2007, 16:46
I go for ART :d

Suby
David from the Hebrides: Me too, Suby!- good luck with the iMac- you'll love it! I'm envious (I use an old but very reliable G4)
lovely shot.
David from the Hebrides: Thanks, Dotun!
love those brown details...
David from the Hebrides: Thanks- I prefer this wild iris to the more fancy garden versions, and it does have lovely details!
Specifically to photography, it's the age old argument that reigned at the time of The Great Exhibition - and that was back in 1851! There are times when we want to record and there are times when we want to express ourselves, one is accuracy and one is art. But then there are great photographers who do both at the same time and Imogen Cunningham comes instantly to mind - there are others but she is iconic.

I'm glad I posed the question, I know what you think about it now and I agree with you. Jose
David from the Hebrides: So agree about Cunningham, and I also have another beautiful book of Karl Blossfeldt. Look at my reply to Paul for what I was really trying to find out!! ( I was trying to spark a wee debate and got some interesting replies!
Hm, I've read a few photo-advice books and I've never read that I have to take a photo of a perfect bloom. Good thing, because I would completely ignore advice like that. Some of my favourite photos (of my own, and others) are of dying blooms. Come to think of it, your "Dead Roses Society" is in my Likeys.
David from the Hebrides: To be honest, Karen I was just trying to spark a bit of dialogue to find out what we all think about our flower images, and I have some very interesting replies! Thanks for your contribution!
  • paul
  • 21 Jun 2007, 23:02
It depends if you are making the image for yourself or to please somebody else.

For me, art is about expressing something that the artist wants to say that goes beyond simply reproducing the scene. Other things don't come into the equation in determining whether it is art or not. It may be a poorly articulated expression but that just makes it bad art.

Textbook depictions may be admirable but they do not hold my interest unless the picture contains something more than technical excellence and a good choice of subject.
David from the Hebrides: Aha! you are getting closer to what I am trying to find out- without being judgmental about anyone's work, I wanted to say that "plain" images like my iris are often to be seen on SC and I am intrigued to know what was in the bloggers mind when they(A) took it and (B) posted it! Thanks for your thoughts, Paul.
  • Julischka
  • butterfly bush
  • 26 Jun 2007, 17:53
What is art? I have seen a lot of bad photography and some my call my pictures bad. I am not an artist and don't understand my pictures as art. What I try is to create something beautiful and sometimes I'm successful. It's important to me that I like it in the first place and if somebody else like it too, well, great!
Usually I don't plan photos. I see something which makes me feel something and that's why I want to take a picture of it. It's all irrational, emotional, abstract.
If somebody wants to call it art I won't resist. Whatever. Actually I think we create art by callling it art.
But that's enough now. I took a similar pic http://www.julischka.shutterchance.com/photoblog/Soft_Iris/. But I like yours better. smile
And maybe you'd like to have a look on this one: http://www.julischka.shutterchance.com/photoblog/Little_Devil/

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